Mathemagicians and friends #7

[claricestarling]

Ah, thank you r2 for coming to our rescue and clarifying things. Indeed, I had never heard of Carrie Prejean before... And apparently, I wasn't missing much.

Have a great weekend, ladies !
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" I wouldn't say that ! Never ! That's grammatically incorrect, fu**ing idiot !... You're dead meat. You're just dead fu**ing meat, Jenny Schecter ! "

[zee4]

I personally find Carrie Prejean so much more endearing now. I mean, so she has a silly stupid side that sends sexy stupid videos to her silly stupid boyfriend AND.... she masturbates?????? Doesn't this speak more highly of her moral fiber than her condemnation of gay citizens and their right to commit to each other in marriage??? Goooooo Carrie, I love this more human side of you instead of the stupid talking head act that you have been doing in the conventional media!!!!!!!

[reader2]

[claricestarling]

Well, I occasionally work for a French magazine ( a magazine for teenagers indeed ! ) and a few weeks ago I got to interview Robert Pattinson, Charley Bewley, Bronson Pelletier and Justin Chon as they were in Paris to promote the movie. It was actually a lot of fun to be honest. And I got my pic taken with them ! Hehehe !

As for how Robert Pattinson looks... Well, frankly, I don't find him to be as good looking as people say, but maybe that's just me. However, I think Charley Bewley is really cute and Taylor Lautner is just gorgeous ( but also veeeeery young ).
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" I wouldn't say that ! Never ! That's grammatically incorrect, fu**ing idiot !... You're dead meat. You're just dead fu**ing meat, Jenny Schecter ! "

[zee4]

[claricestarling]

I just love this guy !! : http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-19-2009/gaywatch---peter-vadala---william-phillips
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" I wouldn't say that ! Never ! That's grammatically incorrect, fu**ing idiot !... You're dead meat. You're just dead fu**ing meat, Jenny Schecter ! "

[reader2]

Yep, clarice, you are the MM journalist! You should join B&TForever and interview the TLW cast in the next convention. You can charge the MM corporate credit card.

The main actor was on David Letterman and refused to answer a question about dating his co-star. Probably because it is not true and he wants the gossip. Is he gay? And Taylor Swift, the teen singer, was on SNL and sent a kiss to Taylor Lautner (I agree, he is too cute!), whom she is dating! This is how I learn the teen gossip!

As for the clip, I think that kids should not get involved in these social movements. It is going to be too cruel for him to be singled out like that. Even if he is doing it because his parents are gay or if he feels that he is gay, I would discourage him at his age. The best thing for kids is to be accepted by other kids and, through acceptance, to change people's minds - not to take a stand like this one so early in life. He cannot fully understand what he is doing.

[arkaycee]

I agree--kids should be allowed to be kids. I'm sure he believes he's very passionate about this now. A dyke I knew years ago had a daughter who was convinced she was a lesbian for a time, but it turned out she wasn't. Turns out neither was the dyke! Both ended up marrying men. I saw the latter a few years ago when I was in her town at a Toastmasters conference. It was the first time I'd seen her since she made her "transition"--some speculated it was a way of her escaping from a bad situation she got herself into, along with a change of venue. You had to understand that this woman was a "big ol' dyke"--that even had some of the butches swooning over her! She seems to be very happy and at peace, which is important.

But Jon Stewart is a hoot!

As far as Carrie Prejean, she's the kind of person that gives Christianity a bad name! What I said before still holds--she needs to take a chill pill! It seems she feels a need to present herself as something she can't be right now, and the mire just gets deeper as this saga continues to unfold.

So, there's another journalist in our midst--glad you came out of the closet on that one, clarice so we will know to have you provide us with investigative reporting after all your trips! Why were you so in the closet on that one? I mean, we'd have to be able to read French, and mine is so rusty, it's very squeaky and flaky!
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[Stoner22]

[Pearlie]

"Turns out neither was a dyke!"

I wonder if, maybe, at some point in our lives, at least to some of us, maybe after menopause or something, the issue of whether our lovers are concave or convex becomes unimportant. Is it possible that a transition from complete lesbianism to (more or less complete) straightness is normal or at least not rare? Many of us know someone (or at least know of someone) who, although devout lesbian in youth, later settled down with a man in a conventional marriage. Was it just to get pregnant? Was it to share in his pension? Or was there some sort of love involved?

A few messages up there were expressions of lust or something for Twilight's male actors. We've had threads on women who turn us on, and on women who turn us off. Are there men - or at least types of men - who can actually turn lesbians on?? What are their characteristics? Is it sperm count, or money, or social acceptance, or security? Is it looks, muscles, their tiny appendage, their ability to use something other than their tiny appendage? Inquiring minds want to know.

[reader2]

I don't know if you know that not all mathemagicians are lesbians, Pearlie. In fact, some of us are married to men, or have boyfriends! But I also believe that people, in general, are capable of being attracted to both genders, particularly women, because we don't have so much problem expressing our feelings. Most teenage idols like Britney Spears or Taylor Swift have girls as their fans, who scream and cry for them as much as they do for the Twilight boy. If men were not so afraid of being called gay, they would also feel free to express their attractions. In fact, except for the sandbox lesbians, as Stoner likes to call herself, isn't it true that lesbians also have crushes on boys growing up? And isn't it true that straight girls also have crushes on girls growing up? I think what one prefers and feels comfortable with does not preclude the ability to have a crush on the other gender. This site was full of women, gay and straight with crushes on Bette or Shane.

Ultimately, I think human beings are mostly bi, whether they want to admit it or not, but social conventions, upbringing and religious beliefs make the separation lines between gay and straight more evident. And I think the idea of a "dyke" who turned straight and married a man can only happen because the woman in question was too eager to identify as lesbian when she was with women and not admit that she was actually bi. That happens both ways, I guess. Women who married men and were happy, but later in life fell for other women are not necessarily lesbians to me.

[Squirl]

Great discussion about Carrie(hypocrite) Prejean...I wonder if the religious wrong are still behind her and forgiving her for all her continued transgression. I would not be shocked at all if we found out there is a video of her making out with some chick.

I am curious Stoner what you define as a lesbian...the statement "Women who married men and were happy, but later in life fell for other women are not necessarily lesbians to me." Is very fascinating for me. Not to say I disagree but I wanted to hear more about this opinion.
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[reader2]

Hey Squirl, it's been a while!

It was me, not Stoner, who made that statement. Society considers these women straight, if they are with men, and lesbian, if they are with women. And people are shocked when they "switch". I consider them bisexual. Just like Tina, they are capable of falling for men or women.

[arkaycee]

Hey, Squirl!

I, too, am of the opinion that we are bi by nature and a combination of factors affect on which side of the fence we fall.

Almost 30 years ago, Adrienne Rich wrote an essay called "Compulsory Heterosexuality and Lesbian Existence", which at length analyzes factors I believe are at the root of this issue. Skimming the on-line version (which I think is fragmented) from this link http://www.terry.uga.edu/~dawndba/4500compulsoryhet.htm gave me a rush of the very passionate discussions on these and related subjects during that time in history!

I believe that, as Shane said, sexuality is fluid. There are some people for whom a certain sexuality lasts for a season, while for others, they are hard core whatever they are! But there is much pressure to conform to society's "norms", but even that's a joke--look at the high divorce rates! In part, I think that's because people enter that institution with unrealistic expectations of "And they lived happily ever after", implying that there will be no stress or strife. Too many people bail when the going gets rough. And sexual infidelity apparently runs rampant, bringing into question the practicality of monogamy.

As some of you know, I started a thread on serial monogamy since that's how I identify. It generated a smattering of discussion, and though I wouldn't use this board as an accurate sample of society, I do believe that most people can't "get with" that.

My concern is that some people get married or "hook up" in some cases because they want a sense of happiness and security that comes with being affiliated with another person without being as discening as they could be in choosing a mate. Sometimes, they marry for the wrong reasons or connect with people just so they won't be alone.

I think people have to be honest with themselves about what they need and want. As Shakespeare said,

This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou cans't not be false to any man.

And from the original of a 1978 song (remade since; the link is not a true video, but you can hear the funk! )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S01t13M-2fs&feature=related

IF IT DON'T FIT (DON'T FORCE IT) (Larry Farrow / Carolyn Johns)
Kellee Patterson - 1978; Melvin Sparks - 2005; Also Jean Knight - ?

If it don't fit (If it don't fit, don't force it), don't force it
If it don't fit (If it don't fit, don't force it), nah, don't force it

Chorus
If it don't fit, don't force it
Just relax and let it go
Just 'cause that's how you want it
Doesn't mean it will be so

If it don't fit, don't force it
Just relax and let it go
Just 'cause that's how you want it
Doesn't mean it will be so

I'm givin' up, I'm leavin'
Yes, I'm ready to be free
The thrill is gone, I'm movin on
'Cause you've stopped pleasin' me

I can't stand bein' handled
I've exhausted each excuse
I've even stooped to fakin' it
But tell me what's the use

You're tryin' hard to shame me
'Cause you wanna make me stay
But all it does is bring to mind
What Mama used to say

Chorus x 2

I know there'll be no changin'
We've been through all that before
I'm all worn out from talkin'
And now I'm a-headin' for the door

C'mon stop your complainin'
Someone else will come along
You can start your life all over
Sing her your brand new song

You're tryin' hard to shame me
'Cause you wanna make me stay
But all it does is bring to mind
What Mama used to say

Chorus x 2

(If it don't fit, don't force it, oh, no-no)
(If it don't fit .............FADE)


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[zee4]

Love ... Love ... Love.... your post , Arr!!!!!! Could not agree more!!!!!!!!!

Hi Squirl!!!!!!!!!!!!